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this is something that is expected to create 250,000 new jobs. that is what people are wanting to see. >> congressman blackburn, i appreciate your time. most americans agree, stop the madness. we'll watch how this plays out. thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you very much. >> we'll see you tomorrow. "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. >> we are on the front line in chicago where three teens are charged with first degree murder. authorities allege the three conspired with another teen to kill his parents. and then who was the man arrested in a foiled terror plot in washington, d.c.? we found a man who knew him for 15 years. he comes out front, exclusively. and the bottom line on michele bachmann, the congresswoman who wants to be our next president. she comes out front tonight. let's go.
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i'm erin burnett. presidential candidate michele bachma bachmann. the congresswoman from minnesota is running for president. i want to start with the latest headlines we have. congresswoman, thank you for the time for being with us. >> erin, it's wonderful to be with you. thank you. >> let me start with vice president biden this morning on abc. he was talking about the terror plot, he said it was an outrageous act and the iranians will have to be held accountable. if you were president, would military action be on the table? >> if i was president, i wouldn't have taken my eye off the number one issue in the middle east, which is iran obtaining nuclear weapons. the problem with the obama administration is they have put significant daylight between israel and the united states from day one of the obama presidency. the president unfortunately sent signals of weakness and focused on israel building apartments on
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their own land as opposed to iran obtaining a nuclear weapon. that's been the problem. when you have a nation that's a hostile nation, seeing the united states from a point of weakness, that can lead to actions that are absolutely heinous like we're seeing today. >> does it seem like there's a lot of confusion or uncertainty how high this goes in the iranian government, if it really goes to the top and it was a terror attack that -- [ inaudible ] how would we avoid having this be something that led to military conflict? >> obviously, this is not acceptable. and i'm privileged to sit on the house permanent select committee on intelligence. we deal with the nation's classified secrets and deal with the problems and hostilities faced from around the world.
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consider what this is. this is an international assassination plot on u.s. soil in the nation's capital, and potentially we were looking at targets being various embassies. this is a very serious issue that needs to be addressed seriously. obviously, historically this needed to be addressed by the white house earlier on so that signals were sent to iran that you would never consider attempting something like this on u.s. soil. obviously they felt they could be successful. >> all right. but no direct answer for us tonight in terms of what you would do on military action or considering it? >> well, again, i sit on the house intelligence committee. it's important for me to be a certain amount of circumspect about the comments i make, but the president took his eye off a nuclear and hostile iran. >> i wanted to ask you about the debt ceiling. you talked about your reasons for steadfastly raising it. here you are.
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>> we must not increase the debt ceiling. i continue to stand strong on voting against increasing the debt ceiling. president obama is holding the full faith and credit of the united states hostage so that he can continue his spending spree. this republican will not vote to raise the debt ceiling. >> i spoke to every economic expert i could, and they said that the cost to america, a credit downgrade that's going to cost every american money in the form of higher interest rates hurt our country and the debt ceiling debate made the world see the governmeamerican govern failing. was it worth it? >> the credit ratings saw that washington was not serious about addressing the debt. that showed i was right, not
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wrong. we had sufficient revenues coming into the treasury to pay off the interest on the debt. there was no need for the united states to default. what we needed to do is prioritize our spending. you see, your viewers need to understand the united states government is foolishly overspending by 40% every year. imagine if you were spending 40% more than what you took in, or if your business spent 40% more than what you took in. most americans couldn't last two months spending 40% more than what they're taking in. that's what countries like greece are doing. and we see that the kind of trouble they're in. i was proven right in this debt
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ceiling debate and that's what we have to do as a nation. we need to not spend more money than what we take in. otherwise, all of our taxes will have to be raised to levels that would be prohibitive for us to lead our own lives. >> it's a fair point when you talk about spending. but i wanted to ask you smshgs especially about the whole focus on cutting taxes. at that time, if we raise taxes by 7.5% and cut spending by 7.5%, we could get back to our historical norm. but we would have to cut spending by 43%, which is basically the equivalent of eliminating the department of defense. doesn't that mean that some sort of tax increases are part of a rational independent strategy here? >> you know, it seems to many people that that would be reasonable to raise taxes. but it absolutely would be the most foolish thing that we could do. and barack obama agreed with that several years ago when he said the worst thing that we could do is increase taxes in the midst of a recession. i talked to people all across the united states, erin. they tell me they feel like we're still in a recession, no
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matter what the economists say. i'm a former federal tax litigation attorney. i run a business and i'm proud of it. one thing i understand from my business background is raising taxes won't create jobs. that's the number one thing we need right now in a positive business climate. that's why raising taxes would hurt job creation and the government needs to pull its belt in line and trust me, as a member of congress five years fighting on the front lines, there is so much waste in this town, there is so much waste of people's tax money. we have got to cut back and let's begin with programs like the outrageous fast and furious program where we're giving huge guns to outlaws in mexico or the solyndra loans. there is so much waste. let's begin there. >> you were -- i read your economic plan, which you released just in the past day,
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that talked about a couple of things you would do on day one. you would want to repeal president obama's health care plan and repeal dodd-frank, which is the financial reform bill. we have a group of entrepreneurs that vote on the plans you put forth. seven of them agree with you, but five do not. even a banker said that he would not repeal it. why are you so addemant on that? >> the problem with dodd-frank is that it drives costs up for the consumer, costs up to get loans for purchasing a house, loans from a bank. it drives up the cost for loans of a business person, for their
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business. we just saw recently that bank of america was increasing their debit card fee by $5 every month. that's infuriating americans. when the federal government intervenes and has the banking, the insurance and the bank holding companies now become
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beholden to the federal reserve and the fcc rather than being able to compete against each other, that means the cost will go up for the consumer, not down. i want life to be better for the average american, and it would be better if we would repeal dodd-frank. >> and we have news on bank of america later in the program. i wanted to ask you about something, congresswoman. you've been consistent on social issues. you said you support a constitutional amendment making a marriage between a man and a woman. some republicans feel social issues are too dominant on the republican party platform. i'm wondering even aside from your personal beliefs do you worry you're alienating republicans? >> for many americans, the key issue is how a candidate feels about the life issue. i am pro life. or how someone feels about the marriage issue. i believe in marriage between a man and woman. so i don't dance around about my opinion and my views. i think it's only fair that the voter knows where we stand. so i'm only too happy to let people know where i stand on these issues. i believe in religious liberty, that all people can express their faith freely in the market place of ideas. so i'm unashamed to be able to say that. but i also said during the course of the campaign, there's no question that the economy and jobs are number one and i believe i'm the best qualified to deal with that as a tax lawer, a job creator who created a business from scratch and also
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i sit on the financial services committee. i've been here on the front lines five years fighting for the american consumer and the average american household. that's what we need, someone who has fought so that the cost of living could be cheaper and we can have job creation again in this country. >> congresswoman, thank you for being with us. >> erin, we'll do it again. thank you. >> tomorrow, we go out front with gop presidential candidate herman cain. we're not going to hold back and neither will he. we'll ask him about his 9-9-9 economic plan and a poll came out that puts him number one. the 9-9-9 plan not a hit with everyone, even someone that works with cane. and we can't resist doing this story. millions are still without blackberry service. and we're out front on a story in chicago where a couple was found brutally murdered in their beds. "outfront" back in a moment.
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gm says it pulled the ad and posted an pollee. new poll just out an hour ago. this is really significant. this is herman cain leading the gop pact. this the first poll, at least that we have seen. as you can see, michele bachmann down to 5%. with us to talk about this really fascinating poll, jaycee watts, governor ted strickland and john avolon. appreciate all of you taking the time. john, what do you think? >> this is a big deal. herman cain in first position, nobody would have guessed that. the other news is perry dropping 20 points. that is like a rock.
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so the herman-ator is doing pretty well. >> that's even after taking the heat last night on the 9-9-9 plan and he didn't frankly answer the specific questions. >> erin, i don't think that the pollsters and the people out there, the establishment, the status quo bunch, i don't think they understand the depth and the type of support that herman has. i still believe that mitt romney is -- republicans like to let next in line, and now that mike huckabee is not in the race, it will be interesting to see how it plays out. it's got quite a way to go. i think there's a couple of other candidates we might keep our eye on. but right now herman has some momentum, and i think it's real momentum. >> i want to ask you who we should keep an eye on, but governor strickland, what is your take on this?
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herman cain number one, why do you think? >> i think most republicans aren't satisfied with any of their candidates, and so none of them are really scoring highly in the polls. there's a new candidate that's in first place nearly every week. and i think that indicates great dissatisfaction among the republican voters as to who should lead their party going forward. >> other candidates are already on that scoreboard or not yet in? >> well, i think the field has been set. however, over the last year, 14 months that i've traveled around the country, i have always found there's been two camps. a romney camp, there's been an anybody but romney camp. but nevertheless, republicans don't believe in affirmative action unless it's for their political candidates and i do think that romney will benefit from that next in line position that he has. i think rick santorum, i would not count him out.
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newt gingrich, i think newt still has the intellectual juice that stimulates and i think challenges people to think through the serious issues of the day. but, again, i think right now the race is romney-cain since the governor from new jersey didn't get in to be the new pla flavor of the day. sarah palin is not going to run. >> john, would it surprise you? >> i think it would surprise everybody if herman cain was the nominee. it does show a certain dissatisfaction with mitt romney where people are looking for someone else, someone to inspire and herman cain is a great communicator. the real question for me is, are you so uninspired by herman cain, do you find yourself
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rooting for him in your heart or do you think the republican party just falls back to type? >> i'm cheering for herman in my heart because i think he's a good guy. i've known him for 10, 12 years and i think he's the real deal. he has a good understanding of the economic issues. he understands that we don't need more taxes, we need more taxpayers. i any he's got a good message. obviously i think his 9-9-9 plan is going to come under more and more scrutiny and people will pick that apart, including the romney folks. again, john, i just think it's a different demeanor out there with all the social media, what's going on in republican primaries, republicans around the country are dissatisfied with the establishment, i think with washington. and i think herman kind of fits the mold of what they would like their candidate to profile as. >> governor strickland, what do you think in terms of what president obama is thinking tonight or his strategist,
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seeing herman cain vault to the top? i know everything changes and is very volatile, but who would president obama rather run against, herman cain or mitt romney? >> you know, i don't know. but i think the problem is, none of these republican candidates really understand the middle class. when herman cain can say if you're not rich, it's your fault and mitt romney says he's against the auto bailout that's created thousands and retained thousands of jobs in ohio and mitt romney says, you know, he's opposed to the tax cuts that are in the president's jobs plan, i just don't think these folks get it. people out here in ohio and throughout the midwest and across the country are really hurting. and what they want is a candidate who understanding down deeply and cares about their problems. and i don't think we're hearing that from any of these candidates. i think that's the problem. >> you have gm still in the red,
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frustration about all these things. thanks to all three of you. look forward to having you back on regularly. still out front tonight, my beloved. yes, this. my blackberry torch let me and others down today. it was heartbreaking and we can't resist telling you what happened. and the man who allegedly plotted an assassination in the united states. we have an exclusive conversation with a man who has known him for 15 years. you name it.
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and now a story we can't resist. because it affected our show. millions of blackberry users remain without service today as a three-day outage that had reached the midwest, europe and south america and spread to north america. the outage appears primarily to affect e-mails and the internet. but why did this happen? this afternoon we joined an informational conference call with reach in motion. they asked us to press star one if we had any questions. we had a lot of questions, but they never took our calls. we were not very happy about that. we got a little nervous. our staff uses their blackberries a lot. just this morning while walking to work, one of our staffers was approached by two australian tourists. they were trying to locate a
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museum called the frick. since we pride ourselves in being a friendly news team, our staffer offered to locate the frick on his blackberry. but because of the service problems, h had to instead call 411, be connected to the museum and ask the museum for directions. the person who answered at the museum and said "no one has asked for directions in about two years." well, we had work related problems, too. to hear him tell it, no one was affected as much by the problem as our very own robert hand. he enthusiastically discussed the outages at our morning meeting and we can't resist sharing the highlights with you. >> two hours of my day, i was talking to no one! three hours later people are getting stories and i'm like, where is my blackberry. no one was responding. i have all these guests trying
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to get on the show and people get in the e-mail at 10:30 and i sent them at 8:00! >> sorry, hand, we could jt resist. i have to say hand's solution was continually send e-mails all morning, just to see if any went through. blackberry just sent an e-mail saying everything was up and running, but i can't send a single e-mail. coming up, who is the man allegedly behind the attempted assassination of the saudi ambassador? one of his friends with details, next. and there's another satellite hurdling towards earth. what are the chances of it hitting you? we'll find out. and four chicago teens arrested for what is a foul murder. the victims, parents of one of the boys.
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we start the second half of our show with stories we care about. we focus on our own reporting and first up, michele bachmann came out front earlier. i asked her what she thought about the foiled terror plot. she blamed the obama administration for "sending signals of weakness." >> when you have a nation that's a hostile nation, being the
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united states from a viewpoint of weakness, that can lead to actions that are heinous like we're seeing today. >> she did not directly answer my question whether military action would be off the table. a new u.s. sanction against iran. the u.s. accuses the iranian airline for helping the qods force. one member is wanted for the plot to assassinate saudi arabia's ambassador to the u.s. we spoke with an expert on iran to said the revolutionary guard controls at least 20% of the country's domestic economy. number three, investigators trying to close the case against john wayne gasy. he were sent these pictures of the process to exhume the bodies of eight of his victims. they have tried to identify all of the victims, but they think they're only going to be identifying some of them. number four, bank of america,
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they finally responded to that growing online petition calling for the cancellation of a $5 monthly debit card charge. molly catchpoll, the woch who came on "outfront" last week, said a spokeswoman called saying he realized people are us from frustrated about the we, but it's too premature to call it off. she has more than 220,000 supporters nationwide now. it has been 68 days since america lost its top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? the international murder for hire terror plot foiled by the u.s. government continues to raise a lot of questions. for starters, just who is mansour arbabsiar? tonight, "outfront" has a better idea. david has known him as jack. for the past 15 years. and he joins us now on the phone. david, thanks for taking the time to be with us.
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tell me how you knew mansour arbabsiar. >> i just found out today that they used to call him jack because he drank a lot and used to drink jack. i met three iranian people. i had a drycleaners here in corps corpus christy and i bought a car from them. after a number of years, jack hand some property over here and i went into partnership on buying property. >> and you were in business hor to you long with him? >> not too long, probably six months. >> what was your impression of what he was like? was he a hard worker, the kind of person who could have pulled off the plot we're hearing
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about? >> no, i don't think so. he was very disorganized and that was part of our problem. i needed somebody more reliable. he was very disorganized. i had trouble with titles and everything else. yeah, i would not say that he was the kind of person that could pull off something like this. >> and your view was -- i know you had spoken earlier with our producer and you were telling her his wife is what held him together. >> i think so, yeah. everybody always said if it wasn't for his wife, he would be homeless on the streets. he wouldn't pay his bills, not because he didn't have the money but because he would forget. >> did he ever in conversation to you, david, say anything strange about america or pro iran? >> i don't think he was a devout
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muslim. i would think i know more about islam than he did. he always seemed to like this country because he made a lot of money here. we didn't talk much politics, but we talked about business and cars and yeah, he never gave me that indication at all. he has a son here that goes to college. i'm sure he liked this country. i don't know what could have possessed him to do what he's accused of doing. >> nuke so much, david. appreciate again you taking the time. so many people are very curious, in this country and around the world, to learn more about him. so thanks for sharing it with us. >> you're welcome. thank you. >> not exactly a portrait of a terrorist that is going to make american authorities happy. what will america do?
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vice president joe biden had this to say on abc this morning. >> it's an outrage that violates one of the fundamental premises upon which nations deal with one another and that is the safety and sanctity of their diplomats. so this is over the top. they have to be held accountable. >> so what does that mean, have to be held accountable? it's a big question for the whole world. is the u.s. government being forceful enough in its reaction? we want to bring in former assistant secretary of state jamie ruben. great to have you with us again. and seth jones, thanks to both of you. jamie, what's your take? the rhetoric still is very strong coming out of the white house. >> i think so far it is appropriate. holding accountable gives a broad range of possibilities from legal sanction to an economic sanction or worse. they're building the case around the world, because whatever happened with this individual case, they want to be sure that
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in responding to iran's broader challenge, the nuclear challenge, that the world will help us, the chinese and russians will help us. the europeans have done a lot. they've put on their own sangions beyond the security council. so if the evidence is as compelling as it appears to be, i think some countries like china, like russia, are going to have a hard time defending iran. >> seth, let me ask you, because the portrait we just heard from someone who has done business with -- he knew mansour as jack, was far from compelling. it was down right -- i don't know, that was not a portrait of somebody you would thought could go ahead with this complicated terror plot. >> if you look at some of the most recent terror plots in the united states. the times square bomber was not
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exactly a first rate competent terrorist, more was the 2009 attempted al qaeda bomber, also in new york city. so, again, there have been a range of recent bombers that have been fairly uneducated, fairly benign and disorganized individuals. so that doesn't strike me as being a complete outlier. >> perhaps it would strengthen their case from their view that this guy wasn't competent, which would prove there was somebody else who was, somebody from iran who was the master mind. >> right. in this case would need a handler from the qods force to provide the money and technical advice. >> jamie last night was talking about china. you just mentioned it again. we did the math on whether the u.s. could force china to do
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something. so here's the fact. china is the biggest buyer of iranian crude oil. the saudis could say iran tried to assassinate our ambassador, so it's us or iran. the single biggest supplier of oil to china is saudi arabia. jamie, i wasn't sure how that math would work, but it would if china was forced to make that choice. >> i think the key point is how forceful will saudi arabia be? i think it's important to bear in mind that iran has done this kind of thing before. there are serious charges right now going on in the tribunal in lebanon where the former
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lebanese prime minister was assassinated by hezbollah with support, it's alleged, from iran. so they subcontracted before these kind of assassinations. these are the same enemies of iran that they are potentially attacking. so if the saudis are angry enough, and you have shown they have the leverage to put the chinese on the spot if the chinese are the only country in the security council holding out against tougher sanctictiosanct. the united states in the first round of sanctions that were put on under obama sent to the saudis and asked them to convince other countries that they would replenish oil if iran retaliated. >> thank you both for taking the time. now let's check in with john king who is filling in for anderson tonight. an about face from several
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republican presidential hopefuls regarding occupy wall street. many who were critical are now shifting their positions as the protesters gain support across the country. and new polling shows some impressive gains for herman cain, but it's mitt romney who has the attention of president obama's team. we'll explain and show you those latest poll numbers. and plus, a devastating day in the defense of conrad murray in his trial. details at the top of the hour. >> john, thank you very much. and still out front, a german satellite hurdzling towards earth. are we in any danger? there are a lot of satellites falling out of the sky. then it's been eight case since lisa irwin disappeared from her kansas city home. and a chicago couple murdered at night in their bed, their son arrested. all that out front next. you name it.
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we do this, same time every night. our "outer circle" where we reach out to our sources around the world. first to libya, where the gadhafi strong hold of serte have been captured. dan, what can you tell us about those reports? >> reporter: well, yeah, there are reports that the fifth son
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of colonel gadhafi was captured here in sirte. he was a lieutenant colonel in the libyan forces. however, we've got to be very skeptical about this. we've only had this confirmed from one source in tripoli. no one on the ground knows much about it. we were right in the middle of a firefight today and no one told us they had caught such a high level figure. we still haven't got anyone here on the ground telling us, so it's the fog of war i guess. but we're getting skeptical about whether he has been captured. >> dan rivers, thank you very much. in the middle of the fire and stay safe there in libya. next, the former u.s. ambassador of saudi arabia. muhammad, what did the
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ambassador tell you about why the saudi ambassador to the united states may have been targeted in this terror plot? >> erin, ambassador jordan described how he is extremely close to the saudi king. jordan talked about how even though it is based in washington, d.c., he spends a tremendous amount of time in riyadh. it's clear that adel al jubeir is seen as a key foreign policy adviser, and that according to jordan makes him a target to some degree. >> muhammad, thank you very much. and now we go to atlanta to learn more about a large german satellite which is plunging back to earth. this is the second satellite to fall and hit within the past month, which is why i'm wondering what's going on. cnn's chad myers is in atlanta tonight. chad, are the chances this hits somebody? >> reporter: well, erin, it's a big satellite and many piece
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also hit the ground. that's what it looks like right now. the risk of it hitting anyone in the world, 1 in 2,000. multiply that by the population of the world and the population and the chance of you getting hit is 1 in 13 trillion. this one still is a big satellite. in fact, one of the pieces is ceramic and it will not burn up on reentry. it will weigh 1,700 pounds. that will still leave a mark. >> all right. thank you very much. now to the outfront crime docket. ten days into the trial of dr. conrad murray. his defense is saban donning the theory that michael jackson may have swallowed a deadly dose of propofol. they say he could have injected himself. prosecutors attempted to shoot down that theory with testimony from a medical expert who said dr. murray showed gross negligence. >> if these deviations would not have happened, mr. jackson could
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have been alive. >> and now to missouri. new video released of deborah bradley, the mother of a missing 10-month-old baby girl. she was shopping the day her daughter disappeared. baby tell them anything new. baby lisa irwin vanished in the middle of the night. despite an exhaustive search, there is no sign of the baby. the family has hired a private investigator now to help them with the case. and now to a surprising twist in a foul and grisly chicago-area murder investigation. the cook county sheriff's office is charging three teens with first-degree murder. they alleged that the teens conspired with another teen, john granat, to kill granat's parents. john and maria granat were found stabbed and bludgeoned to death in their bed on the morning of september 11th. richard boykey represents john
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granat. thank you so much for being with us. you maintain your client's innocence, but friends say he planned the murder of his parents for several months. are they lying? >> i think they're lying, erin. i've had an opportunity to speak with a number of young men and young ladies that have gone to school with john, know him for a number of years, and i haven't heard anything that indicates to me that this is something that has been going on for several months, if the planning stages. john has been a student at stag high school. he's had an opportunity to meet and mingle with a number of people. he maintained a full-time job in addition to working with his -- for his mom and dad's company. i don't see any of that in any of the people that i've spoken with. >> let me ask you, the teenagers that have spoken say that the motive was money and that the parents were beaten to death for $35,000 in cash, which was kept in a house.
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what kind of relationship did your client have with his parents? was he close with them? >> from everyone that i've talked to, john has had a very close relationship with mom and dad. he was a 17-year-old kid, of course, and everybody has their problems with their parents at that age, but not to the degree that i saw in the photographs that were shown to me by the prosecutors in this case as to the horrendous beating that was inflicted on these two human beings. it's beyond the possibility, at least, in my mind, as we stand here tonight, to think that a son could do that to his mother or father. >> yes, the details are absolutely horrible. but if not him, then who? >> well, i believe that the
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three young men that were interviewed and confessed to the sheriff's offices over the weekend are the people responsible for the killings. i don't think there's any question that those were the people who had a motive. money was the motive. they had all, i think been in the grantat house previously. they were associates of john. one was a good friend of john. he knew the house intricately, and with respect to the murder weapons, that's where the murder weapons were found. these three kids had spend the last month lying to prosecutors, lying to police officers, lying to their friends at school. >> all right. >> so i think they've got the right guys. >> richard beuke, thank you so much for joining us. we'll keep following this story. thanks again. and i hope that all of you will tune in tomorrow, because we have gop presidential candidate, herman cain, who just within the past hour in the latest poll
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it's safe to say, she is on every power list that matters. just last month, jill abramson became the first women executive editor for "the new york times" in its 160-year history. she's in charge of guiding the world's most well-known paper in the move from paper to, well, mobile devices or even ipads now. i would have said the internet a year ago and now things have changed. jill abramson joins me now. really wonderful to have you come in. thank you so much. >> thank you for having me, erin, and congratulations on the show. >> well, thank you. let me -- executive editor since september 6th. you've been on very list,
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"forbes" list of most powerful women, "vanity fair." how do you feel about all of the attention? >> it's taken a bit of getting used to. it's nice to be on all of these lists. i always say, you can't take them too seriously and the only thing that is really bad is when you're on a list one year and you fall off the next. when you're not on the list. >> i saw some feedback in "the new york times," viewers had written in, or readers, had written in, sorry, i'm thinking tv here, some comments you made about being a woman, and that being a woman doesn't necessarily mean that you select stories women or cover stories differently from men, and as a female journalist, i was wondering what exactly you meant when you said that. >> what i was taking issue with was the assumption that sometimes female editors would somehow take the news in a soft direction, and my background is as an investigative reporter, so that was definitely not going to be the case at "the times" with
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me. so i was kind of responding to a question -- >> something very specific. >> -- that suggestion. but certainly, different kinds of people bring different perspectives to stories, which is why you want a diverse newsroom. >> speaking of how things have changed, you were a big part of pushing "the new york times" onwall, to have a pay wall, where people pay for stories, which has been extremely successful. this year we've seen the rise of citizen journalism, and skype giving us a view into places where it's been hard to get journalists. how does that change what you do? is that something that hurts you or empowers your reporters to do more in-depth work? >> i think it empowers our reporters and it also puts a real premium on the kind of authoritative reporting around the world. we have more foreign and national correspondents than we've ever had. and with the din of all the news that's out e,

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